As Confidence Returns, Gold Will Rise - Sprott's John Embry

The Gold Report: John, in Investors Digest of Canada you recently said you're expecting gold to gain another 30% this year.

John Embry: I would say at least 30%. I said that I thought it would be the best year to date. We've had nine years consecutive higher year-end prices and the best year in that span for a year's return was 31%. I think this will be the year that we exceed it in this, the 10th year of the bull market.

TGR: What's driving this? Why is this year going to be the best year?

JE: I think we're getting very close to the point when a greater proportion of the public realizes the degree of difficulty that sovereign debt is in. And at that point, when you can't depend on your government paper as a safe haven, I think that fact puts gold in a much better light in more people's eyes.

TGR: You might say the first leg down were the individuals who couldn't pay their mortgages and that caused part of the '08 collapse. And now it looks like it's the government's.

JE: It's very simple, actually. Private demand, as you know, was so weak that governments had to step in to maintain order in the economy and in so doing, they spent an enormous amount of money, at the same time that revenue streams fell because of the weakness in the private sector. Governments spent dramatically more money and the results are a budget deficit I never thought I'd see in my life. I'm shocked at the numbers in many places.

TGR: It's been unbelievable. Now when you talk about gold, you're talking about bullion. How do you see the gold stocks? Do you think we're going to have a pullback? Ian Gordon of Longwave Analytics and Richard Russell (Dow Theory) predict the Dow will go to 1000.

JE: I don't agree with them. As much as I love Richard Russell-he's probably been as big an influence in my career as anyone-I don't think that deflation is necessarily the outcome when you have a pure fiat currency system. I think the far greater risk is hyperinflation because I believe that these guys that are in control today have seen the depressionary '30s, and they will move heaven and earth to prevent that outcome. And when you've got the capacity to create unlimited money, I believe you can do it. So I hear Gordon and Russell and I respect them, but I'm in the camp that thinks we'll get hyperinflation first. We'll eventually have to clean out the debt, but I think we go hyper before that.

TGR: So hyperinflation. Would that include stocks as well?

JE: I think stocks will do fine. They may have a violent correction first because a lot of people don't know what the heck we're talking about here. And when they see inflation mounting and economic conditions being less than ideal, they'll sell their stocks. But the fact is that if you go back and look at any hyperinflationary environment anywhere, stocks did infinitely better than paper instruments. So precious metals first, stocks second.

TGR: When you're talking about stocks, you're not talking just about gold stocks.

JE: No, I'm talking about good businesses. I'm not talking necessarily about banks and other stuff that's more dubious, based all on paper, but businesses like breweries, for example. People are always going to drink beer and a good brewing company will do exceptionally well in the debased currency of whatever country it's in.

TGR: So you think that we might have a sell-off and in that sell-off all equities, including gold stocks, would go down.

JE: Gold stocks, maybe. I believe the next time everything goes down, gold isn't going down. And if that were to be the case, I think gold stocks might surprise. They've been awful. Given what the gold price has done, gold stocks, by and large, have been awful.

Well, the well-promoted ones and the odd good one have done okay, but across the whole list, it's been pretty hard slog over the last three or four years, particularly 16 to 17 months ago when it we hit bottom. I thought they were going to zero.

So many of them are trading at less than they were back in November 2003, which was the real peak of the excitement in gold stocks, if you can imagine. Six and half years ago. The gold price has done nothing but go up in that time.

TGR: In this next cycle are you seeing better returns for producers or the juniors that have pounds in the ground?

JE: Oh, I think the juniors. The whole thing is a matter of confidence. They've got so much volatility in the gold price. You get a good thrust up and you got a violent correction and I think they've got so many people discouraged and going the wrong way on these gold stocks that right now the degree of confidence is very low. If I'm right and the gold price stages a dramatic breakout in the next 12 months-and I'm talking hundreds and hundreds of dollars on the upside-then I think the confidence will return and people will seek an outlet in gold stocks because so many of them have been beaten up. More importantly, the overall market cap of all the gold stocks is really small in the context of all the money around.

TGR: What's the seasonality of this year?

JE: I think that probably we may continue to wallow around here for maybe the better part of another month. Maybe not quite that long. But, historically, mid-March to mid-May has been a really good period. When I look at the fundamentals and everything that's going on, I see no reason why it shouldn't be a very good period this time. And there's one other development. I don't know whether it will come to fruition, but on March 25th the CFTC is going to be investigating position limits in gold and silver on the COMEX. And if they ever put any teeth into those things and kept these bullion banks from what they're doing on the short side with their large positions, I think that could have a salutary impact on gold and silver prices.

They're finally going to have to address this because there's been so many complaints about the bizarre price action on the COMEX in both gold and silver.

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